The Iliad
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Sorry for the incredibly late post, I had a busy day and last night and day so I’m WAY behind with my posts.
Anyhow…
The Iliad – or the story of how the Greeks destroyed the city of Troy. To buy myself some time I’ll allow you a minute or two to contemplate Brad Pitt in a little leather miniskirt [or Eric Bana, Sean Bean or Orly Bloom depending on what floats your boat].
All done? Okay, now forget that film as an historical record. They got maybe 3 things right but lost all credibility for me when I spotted two llamas in the market place scene when Hector and Paris return to Ilium. Film makers, there were no llamas in Bronze Age Turkey – nor Iron Age, in fact zero on the llama front right up until about 1500 at the very earliest I’d have thought.
Some of the shields are okay. Half moon ones and waisted ones. But the helmets and armour are waaaaay too late. In fact it looks a bit as though they copied elements of this pot which purports to show Achilles binding Patroclus’ wounds rather than something more appropriate.
This is an interesting depiction partly for the details of the armour, which are spot on for the classical period, showing flexible armour with applied scales and a padded arming cap. I’m also interested that Patroclus is shown to be the erastes of the pair – the older man, while Achilles is depicted as the eromenos. This is the opposite to the usual depiction – in the film as well as in Madeline Miller’s awarding piece of high class Iliad fan fic, The Song of Achilles. There Achilles is the stronger, older, more accomplished warrior and Patroclus is his wide-eyed, youthful admirer. But there’s nothing in Homer to suggest that’s the way round it was.
Incidentally, for anyone who is sniggering at beardy guy’s tiny genitals, you must remember that in that culture nakedness amongst men was a very normal thing and it was the mark of a rational civilised man to remain in control of his urges at all times. The pot painter is actually paying Patroclus a compliment, whereas Achilles – can you see it? – is sporting a semi, which accords well with his impetuous, stroppy and rather childish personality.
Um I’ve got off the point haven’t I? It’s because I’m sleepy.
Here’s something they did take note of in the film that is bang on the nail with the archaeology. The walls of Troy are not vertical.
That sloping base is called battering and gives topless towers a nice broad foundation. It also explains the anecdote about – oh blimey, one of the Greeks, I can’t remember which one, who is described running up the wall several times in a bit of prehistoric parkour just because he could.
Off to bed, darlings. I hope to make more sense tomorrow.
I don’t get how you find the time to post something here every day. I’m so impressed!
Thanks 🙂 I pad it well with pictures so it’s not too many words 🙂 Actually I do better with deadlines and an actual aim. I’ve started writing again too!
See what you mean!! You are a never-ending source of information and learning for me. Who knew that about controlling themselves? And, yes, I can spot Achilles’s semi. You make history soooooo interesting, where were you when I was at school (not born probably). Thanks Elin!
To me it made all kinds of sense that Patroclus is the erastes of that relationship. He’s obviously the more mature one of them – the guy who can put his own interests below those of his side and take decisive action to end a situation that was doing nobody any good. Achilles’ ridiculous pride and temper tantrums, too, are much more forgivable when you think that he’s probably just a teenager. Of course Patroclus is used to making the hard decisions for him, and of course Achilles goes suicidally ballistic when the guy who is his moderating influence and guide is taken away from him. It all makes so much more sense that way around.
Well done for posting this very interesting piece so late. I haven’t done an ‘I’ today as I’m up to me eye balls in blogs hops. Zzzzzzzzz!!! I’ll mebe do two tomorrow if that’s allowed. 😉 Night night.
If people really trusts Hollywood for History classes, they are doomed. Troy is an excellent movie but I keep in mind it is only entertainment. When I’m really interested in learning about something or someone, I’ve learned to go to more accurate sources than the movies, which can be really disappointing sometimes.
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Just so you know, when in a paragraph about Grecian pottery I see a link to something “more appropriate” I expect less appropriate. I think the Boston Art Museum has a collection of dirty vases.
somehow I missed reading this yesterday – prob due to my own schedule. And yeah funnily I’m taking a screen writing class so not so surprised at the films not being accurate. And I agree. If you had been my history teacher I may have learned something in school